Geekshow

I know there are only 3 episodes left (4 for me as I haven't watched last nights ep, our Space channel that plays it is always glitchy so I can't watch it live anymore :( ), but seeing as how I started watching BSG mainly from recommendations from posters on the old forum, I was hoping some would still be around.

My thoughts so far are that obviously Starbuck is something more than human. I think for her to be a cylon is way too easy. I was thinking she may be a hybrid of some kind. Since she is artistic and her mother talked of her being “special”, I thought Daniel could be her father. I figure one copy survived somehow, or Ellen created another.

About Ellen being the 5th, I was totally shocked. I didn't see that one. I  thought that possibly number 6 was based on a younger version of her. To me it makes sense since when Tigh first started sleeping with Caprica 6 he would see visions of Ellen. So far there has been no mention of it, so maybe not.

About the 13th tribe and Earth – does the fact that all 'human' life on Earth was Cylon, make us cylons??? Is that what the writers are trying to say? They could reproduce naturally, and they seemed to eat and do human activities. This part confuses me. When the series is finally wrapped up, I will have to go back and watch it from the beginning. It has been years since I've seen the first couple seasons. It will be interesting to see what foreshadowing will be found.

Episode 5×07 was like a beautiful haiku.

The hull creaks and moans

Lights flickering, Boomer snaps her bra

Last tube in the universe

So many memorable moments (Col Tigh remembering his sons corps) adding up to such a great payoff. I think it might be my favorite episode they've done.

I can't seem to edit the title. Usually most tv show threads have spoilers in them from the latest episode. That's why I didn't come back here until I watched it. That's also why I'm not venturing into the Watchmen thread as there are probably spoiler in there.

I have really enjoyed season 4, especially this half. Season 3 was a disappointment to me though. I didn't know there was controversy about the Daniel thing. I guess I should go searching for other peoples opinions. I joined the forum at scifi but I don't think I've posted there since season 2. And I have always meant to listen to the commentaries by RM, but so far I haven't got around to them. They probably have some insight or teasers in them.

Oh, and it's Care like you care for something. My name is Carrie, but most people call me Care for short.

Post edited 6:45 am – March 1, 2009 by BakaTulip

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I'm convinced Kara's father is Daniel. I mean in the episode we found out his actual name was Dreilide Thrace, which I can't imagine that the “D” name connection isn't significant at this juncture. Also it's the only way he could have been playing “All Along The Watchtower” when Kara was little. Which, by the way, I started hyperventilating when I heard.

I also snagged this note from the battlestar wiki- The name 'Dreilide' is German for 'third eyelid' and refers to the inner eyelid, regarded as the gateway to the soul and realms of higher consciousness. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.

RDM explained the “give Baltar the guns” thing a little better in his podcast for the episode “Deadlock.”  It's a shame it wasn't explained better in the episode.

Since the mutiny, Galactica's marine's are stretched to the limit.  Adama simply doesn't have enough men to patrol the whole ship and keep the civilian population living in Dogsville in line.  There were scenes cut from the episode where Adama and Roslin were actually considering using Centurions to maintain order.  Baltar rightly points out that the civilians are simply not ready for that and offers to use his cult as a security force instead.  It's the last “human solution” that he has.

Of course, there are probably going to be very bad reprucussions from this action, this being BSG and all. 

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Post edited 6:45 am – March 1, 2009 by BakaTulip

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SPOILERS FOR SOMEBODY TO WATCH OVER ME!!!!

I'm convinced Kara's father is Daniel. I mean in the episode we found out his actual name was Dreilide Thrace, which I can't imagine that the “D” name connection isn't significant at this juncture. Also it's the only way he could have been playing “All Along The Watchtower” when Kara was little. Which, by the way, I started hyperventilating when I heard.

I also snagged this note from the battlestar wiki- The name 'Dreilide' is German for 'third eyelid' and refers to the inner eyelid, regarded as the gateway to the soul and realms of higher consciousness. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.

Huhh, so I wonder if that could be another clue to Daniel being the one behind the visions. I know it's not exactly how they explained the 'third eyeld', but we are talking cylon here. Plus we saw the projected visions from Boomer so we know a bit more on how they work. Maybe he saw the path humanity and cylons were on and worked secretly to try to find a way for the 2 races to merge and live peacefully.

I loved last night's episode. It's felt like forever since we got a good Starbuck episode and this one had me totally captivated. And I'm with you guys when she started playing a piano version of “Watchtower” I about died.

…and I officially hate Boomer. Never really liked her even in season 1 but now I flat out want to ring her neck.

Will, what you wrote is a little unclear.

As far as I understand it:
*The original humans of Cobol created biological artificial life forms. We know some of these life forms as the final 5 (NOT called cylons).
*These humans scattered to the 12 colonies, while the artificials went to earth as the 13th tribe.
*Much much later, the colonial humans created METALIC artificial life forms which they called cylons.
*The cylons rebelled, and there was a war. this is when the final 5 came (after a long voyage from the destroyed earth with no FTL). The final 5 convinced the cylons to stop fighting, and promised them to create biological life forms for them (numbers 1-8). the colonials only knew that the cylons weren’t heard from for 40 years.
*number 1 boxes the Daniels, and sends the final 5 to live as colonials.
*The cylons, led by numbers 1-8, destroy the colonies and chase Galactica.

Now. When you say that “Ellen is a copy of the original cylon architect”, do you mean she was built with the mind of one of the original Cobol humans?

I'm loving Season 5.  I do think Daniel is Kara's father, but not sure how there are multiple copies of her – unless Daniel was tracking her and came upon her and recreated her and her ship.

I expect to be surprised.  I did expect Ellen to be one of the 5.  I need to look at the timeline of Ellen vs. Adama's relationship with Tigh – at times I do what the writers want me to do: suspect Adama of being a Cylon.

BTW, no one mentioned “The Face of the Enemy” webisodes and how  important they are in understanding Gado's S5 motivation.