Twilight Movie Review
Sunday, November 23rd, 2008
Have you ever wanted to sit in a theater with a thousand screaming teens? Well nows your chance. If you are like me you loved the Twilight book series, and were more than excited about it being made into a movie. As with all books made in to movies, however, it leaves something to be desired.
I was pretty impressed with the cast that was chosen. While none of the vampire’s could ever “humanly” be as beautiful as she describes in the book, Robert Pattinson (Edward) came as close as you could get according to thousands of teens. Every time he was on the screen he got cheered or sighs from love struck teens. The other main character Kristen Stewart (Bella) was a really good actress and she played the part well. The only problem I really had with her was that in the books I remember her as being more common and not beautiful. While she was always beautiful to Edward, she was more of a tomboyish figure.
The worst part of the movie had to be the dialogue, it all sounded very awkward and very forced. When lines were taken directly from the book you could definitely tell because it sounded much more well written than the actual script. I believe this is the first book made movie I have ever seen that actually stuck to the story besides Harry Potter, and was very pleased by this. I do however have a problem with the special effects they used in the film. It kinda looked like a low budget kung fu flick when Edward was running through the forest. It was like he was flying in a blurry slow motion type thing when he was supposed to be running really fast.
Over all I loved the movie. I guess it really depends on how devoted of a fan you are of the series. Wayne has not read the books and his favorite part was all the screaming kids. He said it made it more entertaining, while I found it annoying because it was hard to hear the movie. If you like Vampires or if you are just and avid fan of the books I would really suggest giving the movie a chance. But if the supernatural isn’t really your thing, then don’t waste your money, because you will be disappointed.
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OMG!!! Did you see how hot Edward was when he unbuttoned his shirt!!!!! I was like totally gonna faint!!!
Actually, I did enjoy a bit of the movie. The dialogue was terrible most of the way through, but the narrative and story was not really bad. I like her take on vampires, yet if I wasn’t there with Jess, I would have been left totally in the dark. It seems like things were not explained well and just kinda left out.
I also thought Robert Pattinson had only 2 looks in the whole movie, brooding or like he was just told he was going to be castrated.
It was a fun time for the most part, but I really think it felt like a made for TV movie. It’s in no way comparable to Harry Potter, but the fans will drive it enough for a sequel to be made, if not the whole series. It was a teen movie, made for teens and appeals to teens. I would not recommend it to anyone that is not a fan of the book, or a teenage girl.
Oh, and nice job Jess with your first review! Keep em coming!
Did anyone else think a young Brandon Lee when they saw Pattinson? Personally I liked the movie, and am now reading the novels. I had previously tried to get into the novels, but couldn’t get past the teenish dialogue (Basically Bella’s interaction with anyone in the high school but Jacob or Edward). I know this is more “real” but when she goes to speaking in depth to Edward and then chitchatting with Mike, or Jessica it threw me off. I actually liked the take on super speed. It was just different from what we see most times (more Smallvillesque with the really blurred movements). I wasn’t thrilled to go to the movie at first, but I’d definitely go see a 2nd one now.
I’m boycotting this movie. I read the book and hated every second of it. It’s a slap in the face to feminism, reads like it’s written by a thirteen year old girl, and may or may not be Mormon propaganda. The idea that the only thing any girl really needs a good man is all over this series, and that should disgust any self respecting woman. Especially considering that Edward treats Bella horribly in the books. He is borderline abusive. Not physically of course, but emotionally.
I wrote a mini-review of Twilight (the book) a few months ago in the comments section of my True Blood review. Since it seems to be timely, I’m going to post that again here:
The problem with Twilight is that the romance is completely unbelievable. I don’t get the sense of a real romance AT ALL. Bella and Edward do not grow together over the course of the book their just thrust together by authorial decree. At the end of chapter ten, Bella tells us that she is completely and totally in love with Edward. But why? She hardly knows the guy. And Edward is too confused over his conflicting physical feelings for Bella to comprehensibly express what is it that draws him to her romantically. But Meyer deems all of that character development unimportant in favor of longing gazes and epic descriptions of how attractive Edward is.
There were two points in the book where I realized there was a major problem:
1) Bella and Edward are heading into the woods on a “date” and Bella is convinced that it can only go one of two ways. Either Edward will choose to love her or choose to eat her, and Bella seems okay with either option. She even goes so far as to tell everyone in town that her plans with Edward have been canceled so that he doesn’t get into any trouble should he decide she would make a better milkshake than a lover. WHAT?!! Hey, Bella how about the third option that you seem to have some sort of mental deficiency, blocking yourself from even considering: RUN LIKE HELL!
2) The revelation that Edward has been sneaking into Bella’s room at night to watch her sleep… AND SHE’S OKAY WITH IT?! Well I guess having a stalker is okay so long as he’s hot, right Bella? Now, if it was that pimply-faced AV geek, you’d bet your ass she’d have gotten Sheriff Daddy to put him away for as long as he could.
It’s not that I object to the relationship between Bella and Edward, but that the relationship does nothing to help her grow as a character, and she certainly doesn’t maintain any control over it. Had Meyer taken the time to show us the reasons, beyond sexual attraction or simple curiosity, that brings Bella to throw away her sense of self-preservation and fall in love with a vampire who doesn’t even know if he can stop himself from killing her, then Twilight would have been much more powerful.
Instead, the relationship between Bella and Edward isn’t developed beyond a clichéd love-at-first-sight, and it shorts Bella’s development as a character. Bella constantly focuses on the impossible god-like beauty of Edward, his manly, muscular chest, his perfect features, his marble-like skin that sparkles in sunshine (vomit..), and only gives passing mention to his intelligence. She is justifiably flattered that Edward would go against his nature as a vampire to love her rather than suck her dry, but it’s a shame to see a allegedly modern female character (of above-average intelligence no less) be swept up by good looks and a little attention.
Bella acts like the walking stereotype of a victim of abuse, refusing to display any sense of self-preservation, and wishes nothing more than to have her free-will taken from her so that she can completely give in to the man in her life. It’s as if she has no self worth whatsoever. Where’s the girl power?
It sickens me to know that teenage fans of the series consider Bella to be a role model. I happened to be in a bookstore the day “Breaking Dawn” was released, and caught coversation between two young woman (somewhere between 14-17 I’d say. I swear, the older you get, the younger everyone else seems) longing for “their Edward” to come along. My advice? Use pepper spray or a high voltage taser.
Amen, Scott. Amen.
I do not and will not ever understand the phenomenon these books have spawned. Aside from the fact that these are TEEN (emphasis on TEEN) novels and women over the age of 14 are reading them (not to question anyone’s intelligence but, it’s a TEEN NOVEL!!!!!), they paint an unrealistic portrait of love, are poorly written and are a trite and uninteresting attempt at a novel. Edward is abusive and obsession and lust do not a true romance make. Why women think he’s this wonderful man is really disturbing to me. Either women are attracted to the idea of violent obsession and lust because they don’t know what real love actually is, or they too are in an abusive relationship and can relate to the situation. My man is cruel to me and treats me like crap, but he’s really hot so it doesn’t matter! Also, there is no sex anywhere in these novels, only “appropriate” or “clean” eroticism. Vampires are hedonistic animals, hell bent on biting necks and sucking blood, which is a metaphor for sex, rape, penetration and violation. These books, as Scott accurately pointed out, a “slap in the face to feminism … and may or may not be Mormon propaganda. The idea that the only thing any girl really needs a good man is all over this series, and that should disgust any self respecting woman.” They are also an insult to vampire mythology. From what I understand, these vampires don’t even bite necks and suck blood. Don’t even get me started on that glitter bs. Did Joss Whedon teach you people nothing? If I haven’t made it clear enough already, these books make me sick; not only because of the anti-feminist themes but that they are parading themselves as decent literature, when I’ve read Trigonometry text books and baby books that are more thoughtful, intelligent, insightful and better written than the Twilight books.
Finally, somebody who shares my not so impressed view of Twilight. I, for one, am a teenage girl, and I can’t stand the books or people’s obsession with them. If people would divorce themselves for one moment from “how hot Edward/Jacob is” then they would see that there isn’t really anything good about the series. The plot’s thin, the characters are poor, ( I mean, Bella has three characteristics: she’s clumsy, she’s insecure, and she really loved Edward), and it’s not even a very good love story. I agree with Rachel G’s feelings on the vampire mythology as presented in the book, but I have to add that the view of werewolf’s is also skewed. Since when are they guard dog’s? They have always been monsters who can’t control themselves, but here they are good guys who are the protectors of their people. What? They are more like weredogs than werewolves.
Someone needs to lampoon the hell out of this.
I`m not one to care if people don`t like the same stuff as me. people need to trust their own opinions and not feel personally attacked by people having other taste. So not to be argumentative but to show why I like the story. I feel dumb always I like it but never said why so since its got its own thread
@”may not be Mormon propaganda. The idea that the only thing any girl really needs a good man is all over this series, and that should disgust any self respecting woman. Especially considering that Edward treats Bella horribly in the books. He is borderline abusive. Not physically of course, but emotionally”
where is the possible Moron propaganda and abuse? and where does it allude that all a woman needs is a good man? I’m curious.
The problem I have with your review is that you are applying normal rules to a supernatural story, ‘boy meets world’ or ‘Nick and Norah’ this is not (btw If people liked the movie ‘Nick and Norah’ you will love the book).
For example the review says that if he was a AV geek that she would have been pissed he was watching her because he wasn’t hot. but he is a freaking vampire with superpowers, not a hot guy. there is a difference between a creepy guy who is obsessed with you and an immortal being who is curious about what makes you tick. What romantic Vampire novel did you read which did not include the vampire a some point ’stalking’ the girl/guy. From my experience they always start with obsession, there has to be a point where vampire see’s the object of their affection as more the just one of the 6 billion other humans.
That Bella had little to no control on things once she willingly entered Edwards life should go without saying. since she is a mortal girl who enters a world of supernatural, superpowers and monsters. in it she can not be anything other than a victim living on borrowed time unless she is made immortal or carefully protected. its made clear to her in the first place that she can’t live by natural rules because being around the Cullens puts her at risk.
Bella’s problem is that she will NOT believe that Edward is a threat to her. your review states that she tells everyone she is not going out with him to protect him in case he kills her. he says ‘tell people so I have more reason to bring you home’. she actually refuses to tell people to prove to him that she trusts him and that she doesn’t believe he will hurt her.I believe that it is much much more so to try and convince herself that she believes he could really care for her. Yes they both have self image issues lol
Its a constant theme through all four books. Edwards knows he’s bad for her and loathes himself for his lack of self-control and eats himself up throughout, while Bella deals with low self-esteem. Its never about her using him to make herself feel better. its not ‘he’s so amazing and if he loves then I am whole’ its ‘does he really love me or is it just my blood he is drawn to? because I’m normal and boring’ her low self esteem is a constant hinderance, and not once did she feel better about herself because of Edward as your review implies. it takes a personal epiphany later in the series for her to see her own self worth (which she actually says). on the contrary I think its a good message for a teenage girl who is doubting herself. it says maybe you just can’t see what other people see in you.
As for them being in love I read it as his interest in her is that he can’t understand why her blood is so irrestistable to him to the point where it physically hurts him to not kill her, and yet she is the first person he has met in 100 years who’s mind he can’t read. and since she acts differently with him than other girls do and he cant read her mind his curiosity about her draws him to Bella,so he fights with his urge to know her and his urge to kill her. As for Bella vampires in the book are gifted with supernatural looks, scent and aura to draw people like Bella so they can kill them. so her initial attraction started there and then he saves her with supernatural powers, after that for like two or three months before they get together he’s all she thinks about if only to figure him out. I would find it harder to believe it if either of them could think about anything other then each other. Its also not as cut and dry, later in the series they both but mostly Edward question the motives of the other. ‘would she love me if I couldn’t make her immortal?’
For people wondering about the vampire sparkle. the vampires body fluid is a clear venom rather then water and blood. their individual cells are filled with a clear liquid so each one refracts light which is why they sparkle in the sun. in series that is the real reason vampires avoid sun, it seems cheesy but a least is original for once.
That said I still maintain what I said when it was first mention here I love it but the book IS poorly written. as far as prose it seems like it was written by a teen. Its totally a love it or hate it book and I understand why people could hate it.
That was Quick.
I did not have much expectations for the movie, but with a 70 million box office weekend they have officially confirmed `new moon`is going forward. hopefully it will not be a few year gap between movies.
I don’t know enough about this series to form a judgment one way or the other. I’ll watch the movie, then decide what I think. However, I’m not a big fan of feminism for the sake of feminism. How is any movie or show ever a slap in the face of feminism? If the roles were reversed, and it was the man that “needed” the woman, there wouldn’t be an issue. It happens all the time in movies and shows.
If it was a person being disrespectful, then I would understand the complaint. But it’s a fictional story. So what if they want their women to go gaga over guys? Not every woman has to be a self crusading empowered woman. Some people are satisfied with just being a person. And others like the romanticism of the “old ways”, even when there was very little to be romantic about.
Cliched “love at first sight” books/movies are perfectly acceptable if that’s what you are going for. You may not like them, I may not like them, but it’s hard to argue that the target audience doesn’t like them. What’s wrong with that? Why would any of that make you want to boycott the movie/book? Is it not enough to simply not like it? It’s not for you, move on. But to crusade against it because you don’t like the beliefs represented is a bit extreme, IMO.
Like Schwien said, Vampire movies/shows very typically represent that “forbidden love” storyline. It often involves stalking, romanticizing death/pain/being emo. I even saw a lot of that in Buffy. The only reason it stopped where it did is because the story was about Buffy, not the vampires themselves. And the story Joss tells usually involves female heroes. But Buffy wasn’t without her own flaws. she put up with an awful lot from Spike that would fit in these same complaints. Even Angel was a bit stalky to begin with.
But they are different stories by different people. What one person likes, another might not. Like I said, I completely understand not liking what is represented there. But to go on about how infantile the story is, and how the concepts are flawed isn’t warranted, in my opinion.
I agree with Randy and Schwien. This is a new take on vampires with a new mythology. It was kinda interesting, but if you don’t like it, you don’t like it.
As for boycotting, that seems a little extreme. The story is what Stephanie Meyer thinks about when it comes to vampires and to each their own.
Im glad someone shares my opinion of the movies and books, but to each their own. I am really excited about New Moon becoming a movie because I really enjoyed the character development in the second book. If you have only read the first one you can’t judge the series by that. I want to point out that this is the first book that Stephanie Meyer has ever written and it was not supposed to be a teen book. She wrote it for herself and the fact that it was so popular means that it was pretty good. No matter who you are your first book is never that great which is why I love the rest of the series. Each book gets better and more mature as I’m sure the movies will too. But seriously if it’s not your thing that’s fine, but I agree with Wayne boycotting is a bit overdramatic.
@Liliandren- writing something for yourself is what teenagers do. When you write you write for other people, to share a message. Not to masturbate to your own beliefs.
Tell that to the dude that writes the Eragon books.
@Rachel Ruzzo:
I`m pretty sure Liliandren meant it literally, not like when an author says they write for themselves. Stephanie Meyer did not write Twilight with the intent of publishing. It was a dream she had which she wrote out so as not to forget it and ended up expanded into a full novel. it was literally for herself, later she was convinced to submit it to publishers by her family. I think the story of a mother who wrote out a dream and went on to sell 14 million books is actually quite inspiring.
I think every writer “writes for themselves” in a sense. I mean, if they’re not telling a story that they themslves aren’t interested in, why bother going through the phsycological and emotional labor of putting a story to paper? That’s why when you read someone’s spare-time novel they’re writing for fun, you tend to notice little artistic fetishes the writers have. For some people its the charecters’ clothes; for others its violence or gore; and for others still its random stuff like ultra-stylized dialouge or pain-stakingly described geogrpahy or enviorments. When you’re not sure if its ever going to leave your notebook, you can be a bit self-pleasing. I think that’s why with “Twilight,” Meyer tends to go a bit overboard when desribing Edward’s, ahem, assets. And I agree with Lilliandren, even though I never got through the first book; anything this popular has to be doing something right.
@Schwien. That’s exactly what I meant :)
People need to stop getting so worked up about Twilight. Stop trying to make it more than it is. They are just silly teen girl books and movies. People are just getting mad about it because it is so popular. There have always been stories like this romanticizing implausible and unhealthy relationships. If its not your cup of tea, just don’t watch it.
First itwas give it a try after the first fifty pages, now an entire book?
RachelG: I mostly concur with your thoughts. The only thing I take issue with is the assumption that just because one isn’t a teenager one shouldn’t like/read YA novels. I’m 25 and read mostly books in the YA field. Yes, for work purposes, but mostly for fun. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with reading these kinds of books at any age, and I do take slight offense to the idea that books targeted to teens can’t be good or real or appealing to all ages. If anything about these Meyer books cheese me off the most is that it’s cementing those kind of stereotypes about the YA genre.
Everyone needs to read “A Great and Terrible Beauty” if you hated Twilight. Proof positive that there are good, awesome fantasy novels with an amazing feminist slant that have an awesome love story. Read Laurie Halse Anderson if you want dead on portrayals of teenagedom. (”Speak” and “Prom” -two completely different books in tone- are almost scarily spot-on) And finally dig out your Christopher Pike, L. Smith, or Francine Pascal if you want good trashy novels to read. And you know what? If you want a silly romance teen book to red pick up any of the Meg Cabot books. (I promise you the Princess Diary books are WAY more risque and funny and sarcastic than the Disney movie versions. And The Mediator novels? My SUPER fave for anyone who likes the idea of a girl who can talk to ghosts and has to help them cross over. 1800 Where R U for a super fun psychic girl story.)
And, it’s almost like- at least Gossip Girl is upfront with it’s trashiness and awfulness- it’s fans fully admit to it’s trashiness and love it for that, they don’t try and dress it up as something more than it is.
Randy: I disagree. Feminism for the sake of feminism is not always bad. Most of the great works of feminist prose were written with that in mind “Memoirs of a Former Prom Queen” comes to mind. (As well as “Sister of the Bride” by Beverly Cleary and “Wifey” by Judy Blume) What I think you dislike are stories that are intended to be feminist but end up being anything but “Mona Lisa Smile” or Kiera Knightly in “Pirates of the Carribean” come to mind.
You have to kind of remember, we girls have so few literary symbols and heroes to look up to. So few great movie icons. We don’t have a Stand By Me or Dead Poets Society. It IS important to have those for us as well, but girl versions of these are not “universal” to producers eyes so they aren’t made. And it makes me sad that generation after generation of girls keep not having their own stories, symbols, or just non-stereotypical heroines to look up to. Just once I would love to see a movie about a girl where she is not reduced to a “type.”
And for the record, I’ve read Harlequin romance novels with more well-rounded and less whiny characters than Ms. Bella Swan.
Wondergirlcassie: The only reason I’m up in arms over it is that when things get as huge and popular like this the publishing world tends to push aside other kinds of titles and bombard us with a lot of samey samey things. And that usually can mean good titles don’t get published just because crap like Twilight is huge.
Anyway- I just saw this article on a blog I really like and it’s pretty much exactly how I feel on this subject movie-wise.
http://jezebel.com/5096672/wheres-our-stand-by-me
My opinion is that if you are giving a book a shot, you should try it out until you literally can’t stand reading it any further. But if you are going to judge a book, then yes, you need to judge the whole book, not the 2 chapters you could read. If I stopped watching a series that had a start that I didn’t like, I wouldn’t be the Lost/Chuck fan that I am today. You just can’t judge a book/movie/series by small introductory portions of that work.
However, again, I have to disagree with something that was said. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a writer/director/producer/actor doing something for themselves. Sometimes it’s a mess (See Bryan Singer’s Superman), but sometimes it works out really well. However, like it was said, that conversation doesn’t even fit this situation, because she literally wrote the story for herself.
I didn’t say that feminism for the sake of feminism is always bad. I just said I wasn’t a fan of it. Buffy is very feminist in a lot of ways, and I obviously love that. But I don’t think that every title has to have those same ideals behind them. If it doesn’t fit my story, why do I need to make the female character a heroine? Or even competent, as the argument seems to be centered around in this case. If I want a damsel in distress in my novel, do I not have the right to do that? Or should I be forced to write every woman in power, lest it be demeaning to women?
Basically what I’m saying with the “feminism for the sake of feminism” statement is, just because female heroes can and do exist, does not mean that every story has to have a strong female character. If your story is based around a strong female lead, great. If it’s based on a weak female lead, so what? I’ve seen stories based on strong male leads, as well as those based on weak geeky guys. Not every person in the world is strong, and not all people have the same romantic beliefs, morals, etc. If I want to write a story with a certain character type in it, that’s what I’m going to do. I’m not going to worry about how people perceive my character. You can’t associate with him/her? That’s too bad, but someone out there can.
It’s not demeaning to women. It’s demeaning to the character in the book. What she does reflects poorly on her, not the rest of her gender. Again, I say this without seeing the movie or judging any of the characters…but idiots and weak people really do exist in the world. So what if a fictional book portrays that? Again, I think it’s really a non-issue, especially since this comes from a female author so there isn’t even the argument that the author is a pig.
@SaberJ-
When the character in the book has suddenly become this epic role model for teen girls it’s a problem! They’re getting the message that it is okay to be demeaned, that it’s okay to let yourself be stalked, that it doesn’t matter if your man is emotionally abusive because somehow that relationship is still beautiful. These girls who come away with these messages are going to be beyond fucked up if Bella is their role model. Not to mention getting married at 18. It’s pure mormon propaganda and I’ve discussed this with several of my mormon friends. So yes, if Bella is supposed to be a role model (and she CLEARLY is, she panders to every 13 year old girl who feels insecure, gag me please) and she’s getting demeaned in this way, it tells little girls that that is OKAY. That it is okay to let yourself be abused like that as long as you have a good looking guy.
Feminism is not always about being kickass like Buffy. There was that uproar over how Penny wasn’t a feminist character because she was mousy, and I came down on the side of yes, Penny was strong, stronger than Doctor Horrible or Captain Hammer because she was out there doing good things. Bella does NOTHING of any kind to be any kind of good role model, and when you write a character like Bella than any self-conscious 13 year old girl can see herself as, you have to make her live up to some standards beyond letting herself be tormented by her man, getting married at 18, and having babies.
@SaberJ- The Damsel in Distress is an objectification of women. She is no longer a character, she is a thing to be rescued. Not cool.
Firstly, it is not an author’s responsibility to ensure that their characters are up to the standards of being a role model. You usually don’t really get the choice to be a role model in this world. I always think back to the “I am not a role model statement” of Charles Barkley several years back. If children and young adults choose to worship something that is less than stellar for the way they should live their lives, that’s unfortunate. But that doesn’t mean that the material/person needs to change as a result. I also have to mention that this is a conscious decision that these people have made. It’s not like it was made for them. And in fact, it’s quite possible that if the character was different, then they would have never enjoyed the books the same anyway.
I’m not going to say one way or another whether Bella was intended to be a role model. However, right or wrong, it is the author’s choice what to make her heroine. I’m sure a lot of her Mormon values came into play, and I guarantee that’s not something she will apologize for. It happens a lot in novels (The Chronicles of Narnia, His Dark Materials, etc).
I am absolutely not a fan of novels and their characters being picked apart because people don’t believe in their subject matter or the way their characters act. Harry Potter is witchcraft, His Dark Materials is satanic, The Chronicles of Narnia shoves christian beliefs down your throat, and now Twilight promotes unhealthy Mormon beliefs to teenage girls. You know what? I consider myself an averagely intelligent person. I feel I have the pieces in my brain that let me make my own decisions. So perhaps I’m going out on a limb here when I can assume that for better or worse, these teenage girls can also make their own decisions and live their own lives. If they wanted a better role model, they had plenty to choose from. If they want to read about a character that allows herself to become little more than a tool, they have that choice too.
I’m the sort of person that believes that people have the right to make their own decisions. I don’t believe in telling someone they can’t make a video game that promotes violent behavior, and as an extension, I don’t believe people should have to promote any particular agenda in their books. I love how people get mad when their favorite book gets targeted by an outspoken group of protesters. But then they have no problem in doing that to different books themselves. Leave the books be. If you don’t enjoy it, then don’t enjoy it. But don’t try to take what others enjoy away from them. Let them enjoy their fiction and worry more about making sure we raise intelligent enough kids that they can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
I never once told Stephenie Meyer what to do. Not once. I’m not saying that they should be banned or burned or that people should stop reading them. What I’m saying is that they are drivel, they are bullshit, and they send a bad message. People need to know that these stories are fiction, that Bella is not what women should strive for in their life and that her situation is dangerous. But doesn’t anyone do that? NO. They’re all too damned concerned with how hot Edward is. And how hot is he? About as hot as words on a page. Girls want to BE Bella. And when you write a girl who is 16 who has no self confidence (and no personality) you literally have written something for any girl to just put themselves into that situation, and it is a dangerous one. People need to open their eyes and see the damage. I’m not saying don’t read it, I’m saying be aware. No one is ever aware.
You are ignorant to think that a book is harmless, or that an agenda in a book can’t be taken the wrong way. The written word is one of the most powerful forces in the world. Pen is mightier than the sword much? Watch any Doctor Who, words are always the most powerful force on that show. Yes it is up to people to interpret it as they will, and it makes me violently ill to see girls aspiring to be Bella, the same way it makes me violently ill seeing girls who weigh 90 lbs starving themselves because they’re not as skinny as the women on TV or in movies. I’m talking as a student of the human mind here, not as a feminist or an activist of any kind. I’m saying that this book has screwed up people’s minds, and I can only hope that the fad will pass and girls will want to stop being Bella.
Regardless of what Stephenie Meyer said, thought, wanted, when she put this book into the world, she put her words out there.
The “I Am not a Role Model” is bullshit. That’s all there is to it. Yes, people make their own choices, but when your audience is people with underdeveloped brains, those choices are not the same as a full grown adults.
Underdeveloped brains. Nice. Good to see you have such respect for the people you care so much about being effected by these books.
I would like to point out that we have some very intelligent people on this site that enjoy the books. Just because you have a problem with the books is not a reason to break down into personal insults. I understand that you are talking mostly about the people that blindly follow these books, and buy into them to the point that they want to BE the main character. However, I think you’re toeing that line between frustration with those people, and frustration with anyone that finds redeeming qualities in the story.
This is why I’m not a big fan of politics. When people have such an emotional response to something, they generally get way too defensive and offensive concerning everything. Anyway, for a book I’ve never read, I’ve discussed it far too much. I’ve said what I feel concerning it, so I’ll leave those of you that have read it to continue discussing it.
Underdeveloped… as in TEENAGERS, the audience the book is targeted to. The human brain is not fully developed until age 25, plain and simple. It doesn’t matter how smart they are, they are impressionable, and that is a fact.
And yes I have issues. I have issues with the idiots carving vampire bites into their neck. I have issues with people calling it literature (A slap in the face to people like F Scott Fitzgerald, or Edgar Allen Poe). I have issues with the college professors assigning it for class. I have issues with the parents who let their kids believe you can have epic true love with abuse mixed in. I have issues with society for not stepping up to the plate. The book glorifies an emotionally abusive relationship to little kids and the fact that people are ignoring it DEFINES my problem.
Its a fad guys. And I think its good that we’re having such a heated discussion about it. Anything that has become such a huge force in pop culture deserves to be discussed and disected by people with their fingers on the pulse like Rachel and Randy. The way I see it is this- a lot of girls LOVE Twilight. And a lot of people (like Rachel) have serious problems with that and what teen girls are learning from that. But to me, again, its a fad. Everything that has become popular has been and will be negated by something that is its exact opposite. Nirvana killed Guns N’ Roses; the awkward,realastic Apatow comedies killed the wacky Jim Carey/Mike Meyers flicks and at some point in the future something else will grab hold of teenage girls’ imaginations that will kill Twilight. Hopefully it will be better written.
It seems like there is a basic mistake being made about teenage girls. Just because people like the books doesn’t mean that Bella is their role model. Most of the people, the teenage girls, that I know who love the Twilight books, dislike Bella and recognize the inherent weakness of her character. They like the books for other reasons, and would never consider Bella someone to be admired or to aspire to be. Just because some teenager’s are impressionable and want to be Bella, doesn’t mean that every girl who enjoys the books glorifies weak female characters.
How awesome would Twilight be if it was about a gay guy falling in love with a vampire? Then there would be no feminism face slapping! And they might not be so incredibly popular, or they would be but not as bad as the current ones?
There is a lot of statements of such things as abuse and such but I still have not heard someone state what the abuse is exactly. Its a montra that follows the ‘hate twilight’ fad, but what is the abuse? and Both characters in the novel are obsessed with each other. I hear a lot of people making the same claims who have not even read the books. and I have never heard someone give the exact examples of how its an abusive relationship. just broad statements condemning the work as a whole.
I’m sorry but I also see a sick thing happening with feminism. the word is thrown around so much yet people seem to miss the point. we live in a time of anti-feminists propaganda. but where it used to be stopping women from making choices and picking the track their life will take its now telling women which ones they have to make.
for example, why is it wrong for a female to decide that she wants to get married and have kids at 18? I thought feminism is about a woman making her own choices? but there is a large movement saying its anti-ferminist to choose family life over a career. Twilight is anti-feminist because bella gets married young? sorry but I don’t think some people grasp at what free will is. Its funny that the one novel that has a teen getting married young is attacked as anti-feminist propaganda, whilst the other 99% are telling girls that they are not supposed to.
”How awesome would Twilight be if it was about a gay guy falling in love with a vampire? Then there would be no feminism face slapping! And they might not be so incredibly popular, or they would be but not as bad as the current ones?”
haha that needs to be written
I have also been wandering what type of abuse Rachel is talking about. I am re reading twilight to see what I missed. I know that Edward leaves bella at one point and she gets so depressed that she tries to kill herself. Is this what you are referring to? Otherwise he is very loving towards her even if it is somewhat obsessive.
Abuse isn’t just physical… Edward is constantly frightening Bella, to the point of emotional manipulation through fear- just one tactic used by emotional abusers. He tries to force her not to see Jacob and is hence controlling her life, using jealousy- another control tactic of emotional abusers. He is constantly trying to control her and who she sees and what she does. And yet he’s supposed to be this amazing, epic, lover? Oh yeah, and he’s a stalker.
And the book glorifies all of this. It is disgusting.
Have you read it? because I’ve heard people say that before, usually because they did not read it.
But in reality the problem is that werewolves are unstable emotionally, they give an example of one of the main werewolves who disfigured his girlfriend because she was near when he got upset. Edward (and his family) were trying to keep her from the werewolves who where a physical threat to her, it was not about emotional abuse or trying to control her. all of the Vampires disproved of being near unstable wolves. just as at the same time the werewolves were trying to convince Bella to stay away from the vampires. it should also be noted that when the vampires and wolves are trying to convince Bella of the danger they believed she was putting herself in SHE DID NOT ONCE go along with something she disagreed with. context is golden…..
Also much the actions of an un-abusive Vampire when Edward saw that it was upsetting Bella he told her that if she trusted Jacob then he loved her so he would trust her judgement. and drove her to the werewolves land when she wanted to see them. so if he was very jealous he sure as hell swallowed it..lol
Are there any examples of ANY kind of abuse that ACTUALLY take place in the series?
I don’t know if I’d go as far as to say abuse. My big problem with their relationship was always that it felt too much like an old man dating an impossibly young girl and the want for her sexually, but not being on the same emotional level. And that was how he talked to her. He never treated Bella as an equal- he was always talking down to her and that ruffled me horribly. It reminded me of Woody Allen and Mariel Hemmingway in Manhatten- those kinds of relationships aren’t romantic to me, they’re the epitome of skeevy.
I’ve told every single person who’s asked me at work if they should read Twilight the same thing: can you turn the feminist switch in your brain off? Than you can read Twilight. I can’t- so I disliked it (and for the record, I read Twilight when it first came out, before it blew up so I wasn’t even colored by any reviews, press, fans, or the movie.) Some girls can’t I guess.
It always comes back to the 90’s for me. Movie-wise what can we compare this phenom to? The best I can do is Titanic. Say what you will about it being cheesy (and yes, it is. I’m not denying it. Cheesy, over-the-top, with HORRIBLE dialogue- never James Cameron’s best suit) but at the end of the day I can”t think of any feminazi rants about it. Girls flocked in droves to a movie about a woman who felt trapped and confused in an era and world that didn’t allow her to be anything other than pretty and polite, who almost gives up, gets saved through love (and I honestly don’t think it was ‘through a man’ I saw it more as ‘through love’- any kind of love would have done it) who saw her as all the things she wanted to be and even after he died she kept on living- and living well and full. (Okay, and the casting was at fault because Kate Winslet was a woman, and Leonardo DiCaprio was still a boy but you get the point.) It’s the times man, I really can’t help but worry about these times when even the junk food stories aren’t written like that anymore.
Whereas I view Twilight more like Love Story.
And okay, yeah there’s still an old goth part of me that thinks vamps shouldn’t “glow” or hang out in the daylight and have that much of a footing in the human world. But, whatevs. I can deal with that. Begrudgingly, but I can.
Randy: I’m not saying a female character can’t be weak and insecure at the beginning of a story- far from it. The point is that she should grow throughout the novel. Books about people who start out weak and stay weak are just as boring as characters who start out strong and stay strong. One of my favorite books is “Washington Square” by James Henry. (One of the few male writers that really got women) Catherine, the protaganist, starts off the epitome of gawky, week, ugly, and needy. She falls in love with Mr. Moriss who is just after her money (and weirdly he’s not a TOTAL villain- you have to read the book- it’s complicated). Anyway, in the end she’s a completely changed character. No longer naive, no longer weak- she’s able to stand up to him, tell him she loved him but he was a jerk and sends him packing. That’s an awesome story in my opinion. If in the end she had accepted him back, I would have thrown down my book in anger, chalked it up to the time it was written and found a book with a more satisfying ending and growth of character.
I almost read the rest of the Twilight series because a friend of mine was convinced that by the end of the 4th book Bella would have grown up, been able to be equal with Edward. That that was the point of the books, is that in the end she’ll choose her own life. That maybe they’d be together, maybe not but dammit, she would find herself and grow up. She was super convinced of this. When I asked her how that worked out after she read Breaking Dawn all she said was “no dice.” I might have been able to deal with Bella if she had at least changed, grew, and raised herself up (and yes, I’m fine if it was done through love) but it was not the case.
Stories where plot motivates more than character are melodramas- and they can be okay sometimes (I won’t deny a long-term affection for Days of Our Lives) but call a spade a spade. At the end of the day Twilight is a very old fashioned melodrama that ten years ago would have been laughed out of the publishing world. It’s a VERY old school romance novel- the kind the mainstream romance genre had grown out of. I can understand it appealing to someone for a nostalgic lark, but the fact is that’s not how it’s fans see it and it baffles me.
@Sunshineyness – I agree with all of that. I’m a big fan of character development and this book (and apparently the series) has none. That’s not good storytelling. Why should I care about character who stays exactly the same from beginning to end? That’s just not interesting.
@Lilliandren – Do NOT tell me I’m not allowed to judge a series by only reading the first book. That’s not remotely fair. If I didn’t like the first book (and actually despised it as much as I did) why IN GODS NAME would even think about spending my time continuing?? This is usually the go-to response from fans of a series when convincing non-fans that their opinion means nothing and it drives me crazy!
@PrettyMuchEveryoneElseWithAnOpposingViewpoint – What exactly do you think I meant when I said that I’m boycotting the movie? Did you envision picket signs in front of the theater or something? I’m just refusing to give the movie the time of day. I will never go see it or spend my time watching it. It’s a personal boycott. Are you actually telling me that my desire to stay away from a movie based on a book I HATED with ever fiber of my being is OVERREACTING? Really?
@TheDoctor
Irony is two people who never read 1/4 of a story talking about a lack of character development in the series. the actual complaint from a lot of people who actually read the series was that the amount of character development made some of the characters including Bella too different by the end of the story saying that it was like Bella was not the same person. speaking on hearsay does not a good review make. (unless you are Ebert apparently).
bella by the end being the most powerful and mature, level headed of the bunch. a lot of people had problems connecting her to ‘Twilight’ Bella.
The problem with you rallying against if is that while everyone gets their own opinion you are reviewing it and you ‘review’ misses and misstates key plot points that make it seem as though you begrudgingly skimmed the first two thirds of the book. and shows a complete distaste and lack of familiarity with the genre as a whole.
@Schwien
You mean the badly written young adult romance made for the Hot Topic generation genre? You’re right. I do have a complete distaste for that.
Begrudgingly? Wrong again. I was excited to read it, and with each passing page I realized it for what it was and hated it by the end. I’m so sorry that I refuse to read any more than 500 pages of something I didn’t like. I’m not speaking on hearsay, and I’m not judging the series as a whole because, you’re right, I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. I’m judging the book that I read. And I don’t care if there are more novels in the series. Each book should have a complete story with character development. Twilight didn’t. I refuse to read anymore. Sorry if that sounds silly to you, but I have enough on my plate without wasting time on something I didn’t like. I wouldn’t watch the sequel to a movie I didn’t like, so why would I read three more novels just to get what you call “the whole story”?? That’s ridiculous.
Even if the story was good. The writing is so bad, I couldn’t believe I even got to the end. So I still wouldn’t have read the sequels. But the fact that I hated both? Why in Gods name would you demand that I revisit it three more times??
I consider myself very open-minded. I’ll give anything a shot. I don’t like JMS when he writes for comics, so I never had an interest in watching Babylon 5. Randy wanted me to try it out. So I did. I watched the entire first season and half of season 2. I didn’t like it. I think I really gave it a fair shot, over 30 hours of television. But you know what I’m told by most fans who swear by the series? You have to keep watching. It gets better. But I won’t. I didn’t like what I saw. And it’s not like I watched an episode and wasn’t impressed. I watched over 30 episodes! That’s a lot. And I found nothing about it I really enjoyed, so why would I continue?
I read Twilight, expecting to really enjoy it. I’m a hopeless romantic. I love vampires (although I’m apparently picky about what kind… because I hated these vamps) and all other supernatural stories. I thought I’d love this series. But I read Twilight and I hated it. I don’t want to read anymore. I won’t read anymore. If you think that makes my opinion invalid, then fine. Stop talking about it then, because you’re really just becoming disrespectful and rude. I’m going to continue to voice my opinion on the book that I read and I have every right to. Don’t try to tell me otherwise.
Scott, you are the king of comebacks and tact sir! :)
I haven’t voiced my opinion yet on here because it was getting kind of heated. I think the biggest thing to remember here is that everyone has thier own opinion on stuff. It does not make the other person wrong just because thier opinion is different.
Now as far as my opinion on the book. I enjoyed the book. I do think Twilight was the worst written and story wise out of all the books. I do agree with Scott as there is really no character development in Twilight. This is coming from someone who did enjoy the book. I will admit though that is a big part because I am a sucker for any type of vampire story. The series does get better but I can see where people are coming from on some of the complaints on Twilight itself as a book.
As far as for the people that are saying this book sends a bad message. All I have to say is why does every story have to have a “hidden message”? Why can’t it be just what it is, a story. To blame the book and the author for sending a bad message is not fair. Unless the author clearly came out and said this is the message I want to send you can not blame them. That would be like blaming the writers and people involved with the Hannibal Lector movies if someone goes out and kills and eats people just like he did.
The other thing that i find funny is a lot of people that hate this story loves Buffy. Granted that Buffy was better written and just all around better, there are still a lot of simularities between the stories. One thing is that people complain that Edward is like a stalker. Well so was Angel. He hid in the shadows following Buffy around and what not in the beginning. Edward only does this in the beginning just like Angel. Bella does stupid stuff because of her love for Edward. Buffy did stupid stuff as well for her love of Angel. Again I am not trying to say anyone is wrong for feeling the way they do I am just giving my opinion on the matter.
The last thing I will say that I enjoyed the movie more than the book. One thing I did not like about the book at all was having to read every other page about how good looking Edward was. Well in the movie I didn’t have to deal with that.
Now lets all get back to being friends and enjoying all the geeky stuff out there.
Sorry for commenting I guess. I was under the impression that you reposted your review because you wished to talk about it, as it was posted before.
I didn’t realize I suggested reading the the rest of the series I understand you didn’t like it. I simply suggested its wrong to condemn a story’s character development (as a whole) when you’ve read one quarter. You said ‘this book (and apparently the series) has none’ to me that is hearsay and thats what I was talking about. I agree that there is NO character development in twilight the novel. and it was badly written and it took me two tries to get through it initially. I never tried to change your opinion and I really don’t care on a personal level if you like the book as it wont effect my ability to enjoy it (not enjoy it) regardless. thats not what I was getting at.
people like myself come here and listen to your podcasts specifically because we respect your advice on stuff. Correct me if I’m wrong but I never said you had no right to your opinion. I respect your opinion on not liking the book but saying ‘ I hated this book, I hated the characters, it was boring, terribly written and waste of time.’ that is cool but I took issue with stating political facts like that the series pushes ‘The idea that the only thing any girl really needs a good man’ without explaining. which I asked the reason for or reasoning behind and got no reply.
I’m of a mind that putting your opinion into the world leaves it to be questioned, especially when you are writing a review for people like myself who take your advice into consideration. I don’t think asking for that is rude or disrespectful.
Yeah, I tried to point out the Angel bit. He stalked Buffy before they ever knew each other. Granted, that was usually not part of the story on the show. But beyond that, there was Spike, who was three times as bad as Angel when it came to stuff like that. Take out the “Seeing Red” episode, which was absurd from all angles, and Spike was still pretty bad. And if you take that episode out, Buffy rarely did much to fight back everything Spike did. They just did a better job of conveying that Buffy’s psyche was a bit out of whack for multiple reasons.
Now obviously, that’s a completely different situation. And since the show was often bordering on comedy, it was presented with a much lighter tone. But I still think it’s a valid point. If you liked Twilight as a book, then you would probably look past many of the character flaws as well. That’s just how it works. If you like the whole package, the individual issues don’t bother you as much. If you hate the whole package, you rip those issues apart.
I have to admit that a lot about what I’ve heard concerning Twilight (Not from here, as there doesn’t appear to be an unbiased voice amongst you guys) turns me off to the books. But that’s mostly for completely different reasons. It’s not because of secret Mormon messages, or stalking vampires. Or even for a weak female lead that never evolves. It’s just the whole package that seems to be a bit weak. However, I sometimes enjoy a weak movie where I usually can’t stand a weak book. So like I said, I definitely want to give the movie a chance.
Entertainment Geekly(Dave) is a man of great wisdom I think. lets just get back to talking about geeky stuff.
too each his own. I love debate but argument is pointless. really my favorite part of any online community is conversing on stuff we like or dislike. who would have thought that a novel would be such a hottly debated topic. although reading through the thread now I am impressed at how many different and wildly different opinions there are. from eh its ok, to its the end of the world as we know it. wow especially since for me Twilight is such a small thing. I read at least 6 novels a month, I’m currently reading four. and twilight was something I read last like 5 months back. I do like it but its not life changing. actually I never really even suggest it to people. I read a lot of better books this year.
I guess everyone applies their own beliefs and view onto what they experience and how they view things.
I was just going to forget it and erase my last post but I seem to lack the ability, too argumentative in tone. debate: fun- argument (especially online): pointless. so Randy or Scott if you can erase it that would be cool.
I am Twilighted out. although I think I may go see the movie again on friday. the use of muse during the baseball scene was great. I heard the song today and pictured Alice pitching a ball and got an urge to go again.
I might end up renting Twilight, just for the sake of it. But, then, as an adamant MST3K fan, I tend to find the enjoyment factor in bad movies about as much as I do in good movies. The worst movies, IMHO, are the ones where I also promised one of my very good friends who’s very Twilight obsessed that I’d at least give the movie a chance on Netflix so I won’t even be really putting a financial investment into it.
I tend to be more protective and critical on books than movies because I really can’t think of too many so bad it’s good books like I can movies. I’m very protective of the book world and as someone who wants to publish YA novels I tend to get very defensive about the genre and vocal about what’s good and what’s not. At the end of the day, Twilight is a pretty easy book to tear down. It’s simply just not very well written. 10 bucks says fifteen years from now a slew of “revisit” articles are gonna be written about these books the same way now articles are written about cheesy Lois Duncan novels (which have very blatant and strong anti-feminist messages) And I can’t help but be more feminazi against John Updike’s Witches of Eastwick sequal as mysogony than Twilight.
ANYWAY… maybe we should post some good book reccomendations in the geek variety to read…?
1) Great and Terrible Beauty- Libba Bray: Intrigue, mystery, corsets, romance, adventure, great feminist message. It’s girls doing magic and entering differnt realms. Win, win, win in m book. First book in the Gemma Doyle trilogy.
2) Sunshine- Robin McKinley: Like vamps? Want to read one written by a very vocal feminist? A different take in the usual McKinley way. Magic, vamps, etc exist but in our world and handled in much the same mundane way we handle wild animals, immigrants, different races, and what not. Basically this is a world where vamps happen to exist. And when you meet them you simply don’t survive. And Rae “Sunshine” Siddon has to unlock her secret hidden sorcerer powers to bring down a nasty nest of vamps with a tenuous help of the vamp nest’s arch nemesis vamp who’s got a completely different attitude about vampirehood than the rest of the vamps in the world. (This book is where I got my screen name from) There’s a great bit at the beginning where Con, our vamp ally, has to resist eating Sunshine. But unlike in Twilight it has more to do with it being a battle of wills between him and his arch nemesis than it does with our heroine. The only problem with it is that it demands a sequel- and I doubt we’ll ever get one.
3) City of Bones- Cassandra Clare: Like Harry Potter? Than you might like this much more mature version of a world of secret wizard/warrior/other creatures and the new generation battling their parents gen foe who tried to take over the world. Really interesting series about a normal girl finding out her past connection to this world and falling into it. It’s mostly about her finding her past, coming to terms with it and seeing how it makes her future. A lot of themes about what family is and how it’s not always just your blood relatives. It has a very HP feel with the kind of Voldermort and death eater evil circle, but is different and more mature enough not to scream, ‘rip off!”
If anyone wants more, I’m always happy to give. I’m also very happy to receive recs as well. :)
I saw the movie on Friday.I’ve read all the books.
The screaming fangirls when Edward showed up drove me nuts.I wanted shout at them because movie wasn’t loud enough to hear through screaming fangirls. And Edward and Bella kissed her bedroom and when they came out of the silver volvo,more screaming.
My after thought was I should have screamed when Jacob showed up the first time. Poor Jacob.No Jacob love and it just would have been funny if I had.
I liked Twilight(the movie) but saying that I LOVED it would be stretching it a bit. One of my favorite scenes was the baseball scene.And when Bella says she told Charlie that Edward would like to officially met him. Charlie had his gun in his hands.Haha.
Although,some scenes or some things I wish was included in the movie. I think they should have made Bella more clumsy because she really is clumsy in the books.
But I’d definitely watch the movie again without SCREAMING AND LAUGHING FAN GIRLS making the movie experience not so great. And the idiots should have turned up the volume on the movie. Most movies are pretty loud.
I know I’m late, but I just wanted to write a quick defense of Buffy (not that it’s probably needed)…
The difference between Edward stalking Bella and Angel stalking Buffy is twofold. First, Whedon put Angel and Buffy on relatively equal footing. If Buffy got careless Angel could kill her; but if Angel got careless, Buffy could kill him, too. Edward is written so that if he doesn’t pay enough attention, going to touch Bella’s face could end up with his crushing her skull. How the hell are you supposed to have a romantic relationship when you can *accidentally* crush your partner’s skull? Second, the negative aspects of Buffy’s relationship with Angel, and later of her relationship with Spike, are always portrayed as negatives. Buffy resents Angel for stalking her, and calls him out on it. She is put off by his behavior and only begins a relationship with him once they have established an honest foundation–she knows he’s a vampire with a soul, he knows she’s the Slayer. As for Spike, yes, their relationship was horrible and unhealthy. And it is portrayed as such. Buffy is only in the relationship to feel something, anything, after having been pulled out of heaven, and Spike is in it mostly for the sex (although he develops a true respect for and love of Buffy later on). But this isn’t good. All of her friends try to stop them, and eventually their relationship dies down until they can meet again in a healthier way.
That’s the problem with “Twilight”. Edward is a manipulative, emotionally and mentally abusive stalker, and it’s okay because he “loves her” and “wants to protect her”. Sabotaging your loved one’s car so that she can’t see her friends is okay if you know what’s best for her and are just trying to keep her safe…only no, it’s not. If Edward truly loved Bella, he would have treated her as an equal instead of as a child.
And that’s why Buffy will always be cooler than Bella.
P.S., I’ve read “Twilight”, “Eclipse”, “New Moon”, and about half of “Breaking Dawn”. Somebody mentioned that giving a book a chance is reading it until you literally can’t anymore…I literally couldn’t anymore. I’ve read spoilers, though, and I’m not buying Bella’s turnaround at the end. It seems forced to me–although like I said, I didn’t read it in the book.
@Ruth – Amen!! You are awesome! That’s exactly how I feel about the comparisons between Buffy and Twilight.
holy shit i can’t believe i missed this argument……
i finished twilight the other day, and was quite unimpressed, the first 2 chapters were pretty much just her going to school, and there was an obscene amount of “omg hes so beautiful” descriptiveness going on, and besides that, nothing much of interest happened until baseball, and even then it got a bit tedious, then you think something interesting is going to happen, and bam, we’re back to boring
i dont feel it was exciting enough for me, if i read i’m reading to escape into another world, and i really did feel that with this book, though i will think about reading the second, to see if it gets any better
p.s. Edward really isn’t all that hot in the movie either :P
yeah is sucks
But then again i’m not gay
Kristen Stewart is Hot
@ Sunshineyness
I agree A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray was frakking amazing. I have read that and Rebel Angels and im dissapointed by how hard it is to find The Sweet Far Thing (will get around to buying it on Amazon sometime).
The only reason I was it was to see Kristen Stewart ,
But it turn out to be a pretty good movie .
One thing I like about it is that even tho it a 2 hour movie it feel lke a 1 hour movie , there no boring scene like most 2 hour or longer movie hads .
And I’m glad there makin atless 2 more , maybe 3
Did I say how Hot Kristen Stewart
PS and I know it not true but it could have made the idea of making a Buffy movie come up for Joss .
I swear there was so much heavy breathing i on the floor
NB ; Spelling and grammer are not my strong point !
The DVD comes out in march 2009
as much as i disliked the movie (i saw it twice in an attempt to not have a cinema full of screaming and sighing teens, EPIC FAIL) i think i will be buying the DVD (im a DVDwhore) so i can watch it in peace, even though i dont like how they changed quite alot in the movie from the book